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Visitor Responses to Janice Knowlton's Latest Comments
The comments listed here are in response to Ms. Knowlton's June 9, 1999 E-mail. You can also read the original e-mail or the site editorial regarding Ms. Knowlton.
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From Lea, 6/14/99:
Ms. Knowlton, by now, you should know that another person's writings without evidence does NOT hold water. The person who wrote that article about the crime wave in Beverly presented no concrete evidence that your father was in fact the murderer of the Black Dahlia. His statements at the end of the article were, in fact, his opinion NOT fact. If he knew for sure that your father was the killer, then I believe he would have presented the evidence in his writing. This he did not do, so your article is not proof. And, I believe there are others who would agree with me. If you are not fabricating any of your stories, then why cannot you provide the truthful evidence. The reason so many people have poked fun at you and talked down to you is because of this. You see, people who cannot provide evidence to back up their protestations, are considered to be telling an untruth.
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- From Janice Knowlton, 6/18/99:
Due to the limitations imposed on us by the length of the book; and legal restrictions in naming names, Michael Newton and I were not able to include all the evidence supporting my memories. However that evidence was obtained and included in the book whenever possible. It convinces some. Not all, apparently.
As an example of other proofs, I refer to the following:
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I remembered that Short was kept in a refrigerator in our garage, seated sideways, forcing her knees up and curving her hip.
After revealing this to a man who was also researching the case through old newspapers, he mailed me a copy of the Pasedena Star News, for Feb. 1947, as I recall, in which the reporter wrote that police found the body of the victim to have been refrigerated and thus suspected the murder may have been done at a mortuary.
Also, long after remembering the placement of the body (which curved the hips up into a position that became fixed), an individual sent me xerox copies of the morgue photos he'd obtained from an acquaintance (of his) years earlier, which showed the curved position of Short's lower back.
- I drew the interior of the Hawthorn Hotel, where I was kept for pedophiles to molest and in turn pay Elizabeth Short. It consisted of two rooms, one set slightly northwest of the south room. These drawings I kept in my journal, dated, and also showed to my therapist during a session.
At a later date, I found a book called The Sanford Maps, showing a sketch of the hotel, which consisted of a drawing of the two rooms EXACTLY as I had drawn them earlier. As I had never visited the hotel after 1946 when it was my prison, and the original building was torn down and is now the Hawthorn apartments, I proved I had been in the hotel in 1946.
I drew the portions of the Culver City American Legion Post/Moose Lodge meeting place on Hughes in Culver City, which I saw the morning of Jan. 15, 1947 when my father took her body there to wash it. When I later found the building (after my memory began returning from 1988 forward - memories of Short's murder beginning in late Nov. 1989), I was not able to see the areas I'd seen in 1947, as they were remodeled. However, I sketched from memory, and sent the sketch to a Culver City Police Officer. He showed it to another officer who was familiar with the building interior prior to remodeling. That officer said the drawings were accurate.
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After I remembered most of what I'd seen (but not yet all) my father do to Short's body, before and after her murder, I typed that out in detail and sent it, at his request, to former Sheriff's deputy, Thad Stephan, who phoned me in 1991 after he saw me interviewed on "Hard Copy." Stephan had been sent out to investigate on his own time by his
supervisor with the L.A. Sheriff's Dept. Prior to doing so, he was
shown the autopsy, and copied it down meticulously, later typing it.
Stephan asked me to mail him my detailed description of the murder, as I had remembered it up to then. I did so. He was apparently so impressed at how it matched the autopsy report that by return mail, he sent me a copy of the autopsy report. I took it to my therapist and we went over it, point for point, comparing it to what I had earlier reported to him. It matched perfectly, except hat I had remembered more than what was included in the autopsy report, the report having exclused things only the murderer or a witness might know.
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In 1993 when I visited Stephan at his home, he also gave me some photos of Short taken with a man in a hat. These were noted on the back as having been given to him by Cleo Short, Beth's father. Pocket Books did not choose to include photos or they would be in the book.
I would disagree with your statement that "the reason so many people have poked fun at you and talked down to you is because" I, as you put it, "cannot provide the truthful evidence..." Many people who have had experiences which are true are not, unfortunately, able to find the corroboration I have found. That does not mean that what they claim is not true, as we are finding out when mass graves are uncovered in Yugoslavia, verifying survivor's claims.
-- Janice Knowlton
From Lisa, 6/14/99
I find this sad, pathetic story completely DISGUSTING. Elizabeth was a REAL PERSON, not someone's sick, warped fantasy. Knowlton obviously has issues UNRELATED to this case, that she should take up with a doctor.
STOP SEEKING PUBLICITY IN THE NAME OF ELIZABETH SHORT.
Reading your book SAYS IT ALL.
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