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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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As quoted by Francis Sawyer... "any of you homos touch me, and I'll kill you."
Now who can tell me what movie that is from. Razz


Which brings to mind how homophobic society is: a violent movie may get a PG-13 rating, where a gay themed one (not even explicit nudity) gets an R rating. Sexuality is worse than murder/mayhem.....go figure!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, I'd much rather my 7 year old son see something kind of sexy (even same sex couple) than something violent!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'd rather my kids watch a MILLION rated R movies rather than the commercials on TV!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
TIMMM55 wrote:
a heterosexual male who prefers to socialize with men may be considered a homosocial heterosexual.


Thatz funnee. LMAO!! Razz Laughing Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
-- actually, a "homosocial heterosexual" is probably really a LATENT homosexual. Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
JAWS wrote:
-- actually, a "homosocial heterosexual" is probably really a LATENT homosexual. Razz


Oh come on! What about the boy's club, the men's night out poker games, the football get togethers???? They are all examples of men prefering male associations, i.e. MALE BONDING. Are we THAT homophobic where we even deny our male identity?

In the past, George Washington and others spoke freely of their love for their fellow man.....it was not sexual.......
Male/male expression has been stymied in the last few decades. IMHO homophobia has limited honest expression. Nowadays a man has to be drunk to say "I love ya man!"....when it's just an honest feeling. In real life even John Wayne had male friends! LOL. We can wage war but not express love??? How F---ed Up is that?

Women like and need female associations too (if you look at the Lifetime Network you'd think women don't need men anymore LOL)......but in our curent society that seems to be fine. (Back to the Short/French connection, I think thats all it was).
Again a double standard.

Maybe because I am GAY I understand the difference between intimate male/male bonding and male/male sexuality. Bondings can cross ........remember the Spartans Shocked

LOL not be be homophobic, but if you can't see the difference.............. Rolling Eyes Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have this to say on this subject...
I am not homophobic, I understand same sex bonding, I understand same sex love and relationships. I think who loves who and who marries who is NOT the biggest issue in our country now, but if you listen to some prominent figures in Hollywood, the Mormon church suddenly rose up and became comparable to domestic terrorists. I think fighting intolerance with intolerance is laughable so my sympathy has dwindled a bit. Gay people haven't cornered the market on being discriminated against.
I won't ask if you are Mormon JAWS, I can tell you aren't. I think you are many things... But you aren't Mormon.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I won't ask if you are Mormon JAWS, I can tell you aren't. I think you are many things... But you aren't Mormon.


I'm a lapsed Catholic. Fortunately, I wasn't molested by a priest when I was an altar boy -- but there sure seems to be a sh*tload of poor souls who were. I think forcing priests to take a vow of celibacy is unnatural, and that "frustration" is what was at the root of all these molestations over the years -- going back to the middle ages even.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I totally agree. You listen to the news and the only crimes that have the religion attached is Catholic and Mormons. No "Man caught molesting children, oh and he's baptist" It doesn't happen. I have also never seen anything so wrong as those jokes. That is why I am deleting the post. I assume you and Timmm understand each other very, very, well. You have a great deal in common, ya know?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I have also never seen anything so wrong as those jokes. That is why I am deleting the post.


Hmmmm -- there's an idea. Starting an off-topic thread to post naughty jokes. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I was given few instructions. But what I was told to delete falls well within that realm. A thread is easier to delete than a post, but whatever you think your fellow board members deserve.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Briar wrote:
A thread is easier to delete than a post.


Really? Why is that? Confused
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Just don't do this to me. Please.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Okay -- I sorry. Should I go stand in the corner, or are you going to send me to bed without supper? Sad
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Neither. I'm a "you respect me and I'll respect you" type of parent.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
A kewl 90s Mommy! Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
* I meant 2009 Mommy ... Embarassed
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
LOL. I've actually BEEN a mommy from the 90's.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Briar wrote:
I totally agree. You listen to the news and the only crimes that have the religion attached is Catholic and Mormons.


In all fairness, I have heard a few unflattering things about Muslims and Scientologists.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Don't forget the televangelists -- they're always ripe for the picking. Who's that one currently being publicly humiliated for the gay scandal??
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't know, but here's my opinion on another matter. I think marijuana should be legal, but it isn't. In light of that fact when Michael Phelps 'fessed up and they announce that they had just put an Olympic law in place that the athletes have to be drug-free for 4 years which should disqualify him for 2012. He apologized and all is forgiven?? That is wrong. I understand youthful indiscretions, but having never worked my whole life to become an Olympic athlete, I'm not sure how their minds work. But at his age I was a wife and mother. Not having youthful indiscretions, not dating cocktail waitresses, not stuffing money into strippers underwear. He should have lost his sponsors and he should be kept from the Olympics OR the millions of lesser known people who have been arrested for possession marijuana or smoking marijuana should have their youthful indiscretions expunged.

And you haven't heard unflattering things about any religion from me. I've read the constitution. I thought they meant it.
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Briar wrote:
I think marijuana should be legal, but it isn't.


It is out here in Los Angeles and its environs -- the "medical use" marijuana that is. There are new age drugstores practically on every street corner in West Hollywood, where 'prescriptions' for it can be filled. People are smoking it all over the place, out in the open -- you'd think that we were living in Amsterdam.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=medical+marijuana+california&aq=4&oq=medical+marijuana%2C
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Trust me, I know the medical marijuana laws. If I lived a few hours in a different direction, we could try it for the headache from hell. But that isn't the point. Role model, US Olympic representative OR Bong smoking, porn dating, man-ho. I think the rules should apply to everyone. Olympic rules and marijuana busts shouldn't depend on class.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Briar wrote:
He should have lost his sponsors and he should be kept from the Olympics OR the millions of lesser known people who have been arrested for possession marijuana or smoking marijuana should have their youthful indiscretions expunged.


There you go again, all bogged down by this idea that fairness actually exists. You forget one huge distinction here - Phelps wasn't arrested for marijuana, he was photographed and later internet outed. If he had been arrested in South Carolina with no consequences, then what you say starts to make sense.
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I just told my husband about this discussion. One of the EMTs he knows responded to a car accident. Four guys on the freeway wrecked. She was doing chest compressions because one guy wasn't breathing. She couldn't understand why he wasn't responding. Turns out they were all 4 snowboarding stoned. He had had a pretty bad crash on the snowboard and messed up his head. They knew if they stopped at the hospital here they could be busted. So they tried to make it home. His brain was hemorrhaging so he'd have died before they made it home, but his brother was killed in the crash as well.

Sad.
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