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Briar
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 Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject: Blood drained in large body of water... |
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We've talked alot about her blood being drained in a bathtub, but I just saw some really graphic pictures of a man that was attacked by a shark. There was doubt that the photos were real due to the lack of gore, but it says that most or all of his blood volume was lost before he reached the shore. Thats a lot of blood for a bath tub. Not so much in a lake or the ocean. Here's the link:
(Warning: it's very graphic.)
http://www.snopes.com/photos/gruesome/sharkattack.asp
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JAWS
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| That DOES look similar to the chunks of flesh sans blood on Beth's body. Mebbe she was murdered, mutilated, and bitten in half by a shark? |
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JAWS
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:51 am Post subject: |
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Does that explain why "Ed Burns" left a suicide note and a pile of clothes at the beach, a month after Beth's body was discovered??  |
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JAWS
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:04 am Post subject: |
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http://www.blackdahliasolution.org/fate.htm
| Quote: | And if Ed's remains hadn't shown up somewhere, I'd have thought maybe a hungry shark had recycled him, or his remains had snagged something on the bottom, or some Venice beachcombers were ghouls, or (??). But I would not have thought Ed hadn't suicided.
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Impy
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:25 am Post subject: Re: Blood drained in large body of water... |
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| Briar wrote: | We've talked alot about her blood being drained in a bathtub, but I just saw some really graphic pictures of a man that was attacked by a shark. There was doubt that the photos were real due to the lack of gore, but it says that most or all of his blood volume was lost before he reached the shore. Thats a lot of blood for a bath tub. Not so much in a lake or the ocean. Here's the link:
(Warning: it's very graphic.)
http://www.snopes.com/photos/gruesome/sharkattack.asp |
Sever a major artery and the heart does almost all the work for you.
I've heared variations of anywhere between 5-6 quarts of blood in the human body. I dunno what kind of tub you're bathing in ( ) , but a standard tub has no problem fitting 5-6 quarts, plus gallons worth of hot wasser to make it nice and thin.
They sale oil in 5- quart jugs. If hubby changes the oil himself try it out. |
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Briar
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No I know the blood would fit with no problem, but she was so clean. I don't know... it just reminded me of her. One thing that DOES look more likely to point to a bath tub is the way her bottom half looks to be bent into a sitting position. They just mentioned on the Snopes site that the picture looked fake due to lack of gore. That is how Beth's pictures look at first glance. (That is what Betty Bersinger thought at first) It just crossed my mind she could have been submerged as she was bisected.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Not sure where you're going with this, but ok. |
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Briar
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Not going anywhere. I am thinking outloud and doing it apologetically. 
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Apologizes are unnecessary. |
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JAWS
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| Briar wrote: | | her bottom half looks to be bent into a sitting position. |
Perhaps her already dead body was sitting up in an empty bathtub while she was bisected -- then she was soaked and rinsed until the water ran clean. Mary Pacios said that warm bathwater probably helped to leach the blood out of her.
Also, we really don't know for certain that she wasn't sliced in two with an electric saw. Perhaps all the talk about a person with medical knowledge being the killer is just smoke and mirrors. Here is a (WARNING: GRAPHIC) photo of some old fodbobbler who committed suicide by cutting HIMSELF in half with a bandsaw.
http://www.suicidemethods.net/pix/bandsaw.htm |
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JAWS
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| In fact, the first article I ever read about the Black Dahlia murder was in a local Santa Monica newspaper back in the early 70s. It stated that part of the secret info which only the police knew at the time, was that she was cut in half by a MACHINE. |
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Hi
Gee all this is so gruesome! 
It makes one wonder IF Beth was cut in half by a machine,as doing it by hand would take time surely and looking at images of Beth,it looks such a neat cut....now I am wondering if the peron in mind had anything to do with butchery,as poor Beth certainly was butchered.....Bless her
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How in Hell does one commit suicide by cutting themselves in half with a BANDSAW!
In my Junior High shop days the bandsaw machine had to be running and, in my case, the wood or plastic had to be FED into it with a continuous and steady motion. Otherwise it wouldn't progress on it's own. I don't see a conveyor belt or a ramp by which the body was fed by gravity and it's own weight.
That doesn't look like suicide to me!
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TIMMM55
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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From the site:
| Quote: | Why not only suicide pictures?
While I'm trying to show the effects of suicide attempts, the physical results are similar to homicide or accident by the same means. In addition, many of the trauma images found on the web don't specify suicide/homicide/accident. |
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JAWS
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| TIMMM55 wrote: | How in Hell does one commit suicide by cutting themselves in half with a BANDSAW!
I don't see a conveyor belt or a ramp by which the body was fed by gravity and it's own weight.
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Also, if he was alive while being sawed -- you would think that there would be spatters and sprays of blood all over the place, since his blood would have been still pumping and circulating through his body. The blood seems to just be running down the table. Maybe it's a staged or composite picture -- never can tell if anything's genuine anymore. |
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| Quote: | | We've talked alot about her blood being drained in a bathtub, but I just saw some really graphic pictures of a man that was attacked by a shark. There was doubt that the photos were real due to the lack of gore, but it says that most or all of his blood volume was lost before he reached the shore. Thats a lot of blood for a bath tub. Not so much in a lake or the ocean. |
A large body of water...this is an interesting idea...it actually crossed my mind a time or two. I hearken back to the Cold Case Files episode where Larry Harnisch is doing the outro and he says..." We like to think in Los Angeles that Chinatown really happened and there's wheels within wheels of conspiracy and high powered people in lofty positions are trying to clamp down on things. Believe me, if anyone knows who killed the Black Dahlia it would have come out".
If the killer had lived in Los Angeles for some time prior to the murder, he may have been well aware of the Los Angeles Aqueduct Project and the Owens Valley conflict...which also ties in with Harry Chandler and his business dealings in the development of the San Fernando Valley...I've often felt they might be relevant.
And then there's the postcard Harnisch would refer to as "crackpot stuff" that says "Dahlia killer cracking wants terms"....notice the large letters spell out the word "W A T E R"...unless this is a coincidence as well, the killer...or somebody had some sort of issue with water.
Elements of "Chinatown" and conspiracy did in fact exist...it's undeniable. |
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wasgo
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| TIMMM55 wrote: | How in Hell does one commit suicide by cutting themselves in half with a BANDSAW!
In my Junior High shop days the bandsaw machine had to be running and, in my case, the wood or plastic had to be FED into it with a continuous and steady motion. Otherwise it wouldn't progress on it's own. I don't see a conveyor belt or a ramp by which the body was fed by gravity and it's own weight.
That doesn't look like suicide to me! |
If I had'nt read furthur, this would be my question as well. Are they SURE it was suicide??? I don't think that could be a suicide. I think they're wrong about that and need to look for a killer. Just my opinion, and I dont know anything more about it than whats been posted here, and it's not much. Dos'nt look like suicide to me either.
(What kind of mental situation would someone be in to do that to themselves, and how would they pull it off? Dos'nt make sense.)
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| Crow wrote: | | "Believe me, if anyone knows who killed the Black Dahlia it would have come out". |
(That's Larry Harnisch's quote)
This is the main reason I think it was a single person, and that person kept it to himself. It may have been a group, but someone would have let it out most definetly, IMO.
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Briar
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:35 am Post subject: |
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I totally agree wasgo.
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stereocrumb
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I just can't believe there's actually a website with pictures of suicide methods. That's pretty wild. A bandsaw....yikes. Talk about perfecting Hara Kiri.
On the body of water thing, it's possible that she was killed near a body of water. I still think she was severed in a tub though. Consider the way the lower portion of her body was positioned.
I don't know, that's just what I think.
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Impy
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| stereocrumb wrote: | | I just can't believe there's actually a website with pictures of suicide methods. That's pretty wild. A bandsaw....yikes. Talk about perfecting Hara Kiri. |
More like completely botching it. |
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wasgo
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| Impy wrote: | | More like completely botching it. |
What, like- ooops, I cut myself in half with a bandsaw while trying to cut this piece of wood? Or am I completely misunderstanding your post? , lol
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stereocrumb
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Hara kiri, ritual disembowelment.
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Impy
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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Seppuku is so much more refined.
If for nothing else other than the death poem and the merciful allowance of a "second". |
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wasgo
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I got lost, lol! 
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