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Don from Macomb, Illinois
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 Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: Letter from Steve Hodel |
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Dear Gang,
Who is planning on buying Steve's book? I intend to.
Agape,
Don
| Don from Macomb, Illinois wrote: | Dear Gang,
Last week I wrote Steve Hodel again. Here is the correspondence between him and I:
| Quote: | ----- Original Message ----- From: <quincyilus@yahoo.com>
To: "steve hodel" <stevehodel@roadrunner.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:50 PM
Subject: Questions to post on Bethshort.com
Dear Steve,
Hi, how is life? Could you answer some new questions that I can post on Bethshort.com? Here they are:
1. A lot of questions exist among people as to who is still alive. Do you know about Beth's sisters, Lynn Martin, Marjorie Graham, or any of the other major names involved?
2. How is your 2nd book's progress? Many of us are interested.
3. What about that DNA information you mentioned on Cold Case? Has that been completed?
4. Any peaks into your new book that you can share to give us a preview?
5. What happened to ALL of your dad's belongings after he passed away?
6. Do you think that one photo in your dad's album could have been Jean Spangler? Some have speculated that, which could still show criminality on his part.
7. Have you found any other information on that unidentified girl whose picture is in your book?
Once again, it is always a pleasure corresponding with you. Thanks for all you have done. Take care, and God bless. I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Agape,
Don Harris |
Here is Steve's reply:
| Quote: | Hi Don:
All goes well thanks.
As to your questions:
1) As to living relatives/witnesses, I really don't have any information. I left it to the Short family to contact me if they wanted to, but
none have.
2) Book II is completed and is embargoed, so I am not able to provide any information other than what is already public and what is
posted on my new website: www.stevehodel.com.com Would refer you to that site for updates, blogging, and an indexing/reorganization of all the FAQs.
3) DNA is still pending.
4) Again, the embargo with my publisher, DUTTON, prohibits me from making any discussion on Book II other than to indicate its title:
MOST EVIL: The further Serial Murders of Dr. George Hill Hodel, which obviously deals with the subject matter. But, stay tuned,
we are very close now to the publishing date (SEPT 21st) and much more information and linkage will be out soon.
5) His widow, June retained all of his personal possessions, other than a few things which she gave to me.
6) The photo does resemble Jean Spangler, but I expect we will never know for sure if it is: Elizabeth Short, Jean Spangler, or another woman.
As you likely know, I was able to eliminate the other photo. For info on that see FAQ 20. To my knowledge, I am the only person that has
ever interviewed "Maganda" and I made her elimination public on CNN ANDERSON-COOPER 360, back in 2006.
7) The other unidentified woman, "Gloria" remains a mystery. No ID to date.
All my best to you and the rest of the viewers/readers/researchers at Bethshort.com
Steve Hodel
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Well, here it is. Steve has always been friendly in his correspondence. I hope you enjoy what I have posted.
Agape,
Don Harris |
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Don from Macomb, Illinois
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Bri,
Are you buying Steve's book this fall?
Agape,
Don
| Briar wrote: | | I am bumping these popular topics that got buried in the last few days. |
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Don from Macomb, Illinois
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Impy,
Are you buying Steve's book this fall?
Agape,
Don
| Impy wrote: | | It does if it's destroyed. |
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Don from Macomb, Illinois
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Caprice,
Are you buying Steve's book this fall?
Agape,
Don
| caprice06 wrote: | | Gabriel wrote: | That's the thing that intrigues me about BD. If 2 men killed her then there must have been an incredibly strong bond between them that stopped one blabbing. Fear? Retribution? Love?
I believe strongly that a doctor dissected her. Whether he killed her or not I don't know. But she wasn't dissected by an amateur. He knew what he was doing. So either one man (a doctor) kills her or she is killed be someone else and a surgeon dissects her. |
I agree it had to be someone with good quality surgeon skills.
I am not certain if was done by two men or not. If was both men could be afraid of the other, this is the reason for not bragging. Or a group could have done it as in Satanic ritual, human sacrifice. |
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caprice06
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| Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I have read Steve Hodel's book, found it be repetitive about how evil his George Hodel was, how he had the same view as Count Marquis DeSade. I have it checked out at the library. |
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Don from Macomb, Illinois
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| caprice06 wrote: | | I have read Steve Hodel's book, found it be repetitive about how evil his George Hodel was, how he had the same view as Count Marquis DeSade. I have it checked out at the library. |
What did DeSade do or think?
Agape,
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Don from Macomb, Illinois
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| Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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About on more month till Steve Hodel's new book is out. Who is getting it?
Agape,
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[quote="Don from Macomb, Illinois"][quote="caprice06"]I have read Steve Hodel's book, found it be repetitive about how evil his George Hodel was, how he had the same view as Count Marquis DeSade. I have it checked out at the library.[/quote]
What did DeSade do or think?
Agape,
Don[/quote]
Donatien Alphonse François, marquis de Sade-He is best known for his erotic novels, which combined philosophical discourse with pornography, depicting bizarre sexual fantasies with an emphasis on violence, criminality, and blasphemy against the Catholic Church. |
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Don from Macomb, Illinois
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Gang,
Has anyone bought Steve Hodel's new book, Most Evil? I just bought it today, and it seems like he is implicating his dad was the ZODIAC. What are your responses to this?
Agape,
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ravenman71
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| Waste of money. Total BS. |
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Impy
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| ravenman71 wrote: | | Waste of money. Total BS. |
You read it then, raven? |
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ravenman71
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Its in the library. Between glancing over a few parts of the book and hearing what others are saying and what they've found to be incorrect, its not worth investing the time or money. The Zodiac connections are very far-fetched. |
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Impy
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| ravenman71 wrote: | | Its in the library. Between glancing over a few parts of the book and hearing what others are saying and what they've found to be incorrect, its not worth investing the time or money. The Zodiac connections are very far-fetched. |
Ah, I see. |
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startouched
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hello all,
I have been up for two days now reading and am totally hooked like you guys. So far, early in my own investigation, I have not yet ruled out Hodel, but from what i have read, there is not much indication that he knew Beth., which makes him less of a suspect in my eyes.
At this point, I am still sorting out the Ed Burns/George Murman/Maurice Clement connection. I have many questions yet to be answered.....
1) EB & BS checked into the Hirsh Apts as Mr & Ms Barnes?? EB asked the clerk to 'mark it down' ?? Was this ever verified?
2) Who owned the Hirsh Apartments?
3) Was there ever any evidence that abortions were being performed there?
4) I don't doubt that Ed Burns existed, as indicated by information provided in the FBI FOIA files; however, was there anything concrete ever found out about Maurice Clement?? Pictures of either of them or physical descriptions?
My working theory is close to that of the BDS theory minus all the crypto and mapping: The Black Dahlia killer was someone who knew Beth perhaps a bit more than some of the other men she associated with because they spent more time together. And that is to say, this man was enchanted with her (in today's terms we would call it being lovesick). He listened to her talk to hear her voice, and spent as much time with her as she would allow. She being a free spirit, went where chance took her, and yes, I believe that she used the influence she had on men to survive. In the case of the killer, his mental state was one that perhaps had been simmering for a long time. As reported by the profilers, he was maintaining a semi-normal lifestyle, and was perhaps suffering from what would be called "post traumatic stress syndrome' today. Beth's last tricky refusal unhinged him completely and set a string of plans and unimaginable details off that culminated in the brutal tableau that was no longer Elizabeth Short, but a canvas with their (EB & ES) relationship and mostly the things he had never been able to say to her when she was alive. I think that he was never caught because very much as Dr. Nash in a Beautifu Mind, his reality was crystal clear to him, and his "gray" personality made him invisible in plain sight.
Whew!!! I know that is a bit out there, but I think it fits....
Any thoughts??? |
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Impy
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| I believe a Mr. and Mrs. Johnson were running The Hirsch. At the very least they're the ones that identified Elizabeth as being there. |
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startouched
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Okay, more mad reading today leads to more questions, and please forgive me if I've missed this somewhere else in the forum......
Is there an explanation for the cement/manure bags found on the scene??
Was there no investigation by LAPD/DA on where those might have come from?
Does anyone know what the details are that were never released by LAPD/DA??
Sigh...... |
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Impy
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:06 am Post subject: |
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There hasn't been any official explanation for the cement bags. Speculation ranges from they were used to bring the body in to they possibly blew in from area construction.
2 and 3 can be answered with: There is no telling what LAPD investigated/unreleased details in the case file. |
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