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stereocrumb
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Just a thought on the VD thing
Even if Beth did give someone VD, I don't think that was their motive for murdering her. Perhaps it was the "affair" that caused the anger in the murderer?
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NeonGreenGeisha
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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I tried finishing this dreadful book but it was too much to swallow.
The part about the shoe salesman really bothered me. Honestly, I just don't feel Elizabeth would stoop that low. Perhaps it's wishful thinking but I believe she had more dignity than that.
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Kaoru
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:24 am Post subject: |
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| I'm reading it right now, and when I finish it I will get my hands on Hodel's Black Dahlia Avenger, is it better? By the way, is there any book that really puts some real theories about the crime, not based in just thoughts or coincidences? |
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Impy
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No, but all you can really do is "suppose" about these things.
Some of them make better circumstantial cases than others. |
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SaySomething
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Mary Pacios' book is the most solidly factual one out there, but her pet suspect has approximately 0% chance of being the killer, in my opinion.
Larry Harnisch is a good debunker and a reliable source of information, but his case for his pet suspect is mighty flimsy. Also, he doesn't have a book. Just a website and a couple of blogs.
Gilmore's book has very seriously factual problems and more than a little sleight of hand in the presentation. (Example: Check the actual date of death of Jack Anderson Wilson versus the impression you got from reading Severed.)
Hodel's book has those flaws as well, in spades, plus (my opinion again) a heapin' helpin' of tinfoil-hat logic. But at least his pet suspect really was a suspect. Whether you choose to believe the author's claim that he never knew this is another matter. |
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Briar
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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I've never considered Mary's theory as "out there" as a lot of other people. I'm not certain that I know Orson Welles enough to say he was part time psycho, but those pictures truly bother me...
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Impy
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| SaySomething wrote: |
Larry Harnisch is a good debunker and a reliable source of information, but his case for his pet suspect is mighty flimsy. Also, he doesn't have a book. Just a website and a couple of blogs.
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Yeah, because getting published is the truest proof of validity. |
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Enigmatic
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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In Larry's case, as I understand it he hasn't been published because he feels he still has work to do before he's happy with the product. Now that may not be the entire story, but that's how he tells it.
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Impy
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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That's the way i hear it as well.
And from what i know of Larry, and what i know of the case i don't think it's ever gonna happen. |
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Briar
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I agree. In my opinion Mary's book is one of them most valuable in terms of facts and family trivia. She self published. There are a few of the published books that makes you say HUH???
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Impy
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| *CoughBLACKDHALIAFILESCOUGH* |
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Briar
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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LOL and that isn't the only one.
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SaySomething
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| Impy wrote: |
Yeah, because getting published is the truest proof of validity. |
During one of those post-James Frey fake-memoir scandals a couple of years back, someone came out and admitted that even the major, respectable publishing houses don't do ANY fact-checking on their so-called nonfiction anymore, and haven't for years. I was a little taken aback, although I suppose I should have been.
My take on Larry Harnisch's book-in-progress is that he has lost interest in the project. I think his overriding interest was always the mid-20th C period in Los Angeles (the BD case being just one part of that) and he gets to work that out in his "Daily Mirror" blog now.
I also think he is very aware of the pain caused to those who knew Beth when public attention is cast on the case. Not to mention the families of his pet suspects.
I'm still hoping that at some point his book will morph from yet another "solution" to a nonpartisen casebook. Larry would be great at something like that and I would love to read it. |
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Impy
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:59 am Post subject: |
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'Cept Bailey hasn't had a living relative in years.
Anyway, i whole-heartedly agree with the need for a case-book. Of i had the ability i'd do it my damn self. |
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SaySomething
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:11 am Post subject: |
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| Bailey has no biological decendants, because his only biological child died. But he has at least one adopted daughter, who was kind enough to talk to Larry. Unless she passed away recently. |
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Impy
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| 2 adopted daughters, if i recall correctly. |
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obsessed with beth
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| Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:52 am Post subject: |
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im sorry but this book sucks ass! as said before no dates,timelines, ect. its so bad i cant even bring myself up to finish it! skip this book for sure all you up and comers. well it is good for the pictures i got this book for free so cant complain to much
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