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TIMMM55
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| Impy wrote: | Well, as Larry has so sardonically proven, the whole book is a sham.
But c'mon, lying about night life in LA in the 40's? Are you retarded?
1940's Los Angeles probably had a more happening night life than Modern LA.
And i quote:
"THERE WASN'T MUCH nightlife in Los Angeles back in the 1940's. Most people went to bed early. Even in Hollywood the streets were empty, and the town was pretty dead by 10:00 P.M."
Right, and i'm Gene Krupa.
I've got an album full of photos, lots from places quite a bit less swinging than Los Angeles that prove that the Greatest Generation liked the nightlife just fine. |
It MAY have been dead at 10:00....but probably picked back up at 10:30!   They were probably at the movies or dinner. When I lived there people didn't go out to the bars/dancing till 11 or 12.
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Impy
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Even if that was the case, i still stand by my accusation that Wolfe is a liar and worse still, likely guilty of libel. |
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ravenman71
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:51 am Post subject: |
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I thought I'd give this book a chance until I started reading Larry Harnisch's blog. Right off the bat he found things that were not true. But what really puts the nail in the coffin for this book is that the author cut and pasted different documents from the DA file into one and passes it off as authentic. What a fraud.
http://lmharnisch.blogspot.com/2006/04/blogging-wolfe-book-how-to-fake.html
What really burned my ass about this book was that I waited very anxiously for it to be released, hoping for some new information on the case only to find out it was full of crap. I'm glad Larry blogged the book the way he did. I learned a lot more about the case through his blog. |
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Briar
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:16 am Post subject: |
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Naw those peeps in Impy's pictures got a good start at being that happy and I guarantee many of those guys were asleep in the doghouse by 1 a.m. 
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TIMMM55
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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OK done.
I give it a D
Other than the good pictures there's very little to redeem this book.
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JMW
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I kinda liked reading this book, however I didn't believe any of it. I like reading about mob stuff, even if it's fiction! |
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TIMMM55
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I was buying the Bugsy Segal mob/rage killing. Bugsy was crazy, I could see that. And Beth did hang around with some unsavory characters and lacked any known means of income. I could see where she may have gotten caught up in the wrong crowd. Even the Jean Spangler scenario made sense.
Wolfe's Old Hollywood tales of the mob and stars has a ring of truth to it.
But then Wolfe reached too far with the B-girl, LAPD cover up and Chandler/baby connection. He piled too much conjecture on top of one another with no proof. And then filled in the blanks with Severed.
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We (well, mostly me from an uninformed perspective) sort of knocked this whole idea around a while back. I was only vaguely aware of Wolfe's theory when it came up, but there is just enough not inconsistent with the timing of the events to make a fanciful tale, if you're the sort to fill in blanks with unprovable speculation and what may or may not be coincidences of timing.
http://www.bethshort.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=6738
p.s. I still haven't read Wolfe's book.
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TIMMM55
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Enigmatic wrote: | We (well, mostly me from an uninformed perspective) sort of knocked this whole idea around a while back. I was only vaguely aware of Wolfe's theory when it came up, but there is just enough not inconsistent with the timing of the events to make a fanciful tale, if you're the sort to fill in blanks with unprovable speculation and what may or may not be coincidences of timing.
http://www.bethshort.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=6738
p.s. I still haven't read Wolfe's book. |
As you'd probably guess I wouldn't recommend BDF, other than for the pix and to fill your bookshelf 
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SaySomething
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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This is a follow-up to an ancient posting but...
| Impy wrote: | | Even if that was the case, i still stand by my accusation that Wolfe is a liar and worse still, likely guilty of libel. |
Libel against who? |
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Impy
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:29 am Post subject: |
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At the very least Beth and Norman Chandler. If i think about it i'm sure most of the books have a libelous slant.
Of course, when someone's dead there isn't much you can't say about them. |
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SaySomething
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Impy wrote: | At the very least Beth and Norman Chandler. If i think about it i'm sure most of the books have a libelous slant.
Of course, when someone's dead there isn't much you can't say about them. |
Bingo. Once someone is dead there isn’t ANYTHING you can’t say about them. There are no legal repercussions whatsoever. That’s important to keep in mind when reading any of these books.
If this wasn’t true, most of the BD books couldn’t be published…
Steve Hodel would be busted on the Man Ray stuff alone, even though MR is a public figure. It would be kind of hard to argue the slanderous stuff about him in BDA wasn’t published with knowledge that it was false or reckless disregard for whether it was true or false.
Larry Harnisch would have to hew to a higher standard, because Bayley and von Partyka were not public figures. He’d have to avoid saying anything that was damaging and false, even he didn’t know it was false. He’s pretty circumspect on his website, although I don’t think he could get away with saying (as fact) that the probability that Bayley did it is very high. The evidence he gives to support it just isn’t strong enough say that. He’s seems to be on solid ground, otherwise.
Believe it or not, I think Mary Pacios would be in the clear. I think she cherry-picks her facts to make her case against Welles, but they do seem to be genuine facts. If I was her publisher, I’d check into the paid-off rape claim to see if it came from a reputable source, but that’s about it.
Gilmore is in a weird grey area, because so many people in his book are just made up. I think he’d be in for a lawsuit from Beth, at least.
I’d have to go over the Wolfe book again to figure out how many people, public and private, could win libel sues against him, if the dead could sue. Lots, though.
And let’s not even talk about Janice Knowlton. |
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Impy
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I haven't read the book (yet, maybe, depends on my boredom level one day), but i can't figure out what the hell Thelma Todd has to do with anything. She'd been dead for 11 years.
Unless Wolfe is simply name-dropping. |
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SaySomething
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| Impy wrote: | | I haven't read the book (yet, maybe, depends on my boredom level one day), but i can't figure out what the hell Thelma Todd has to do with anything. She'd been dead for 11 years. |
Bugsy rubbed her out, too. And it was all a big cover-up. According to Wolfe, of course.
| Quote: | | Unless Wolfe is simply name-dropping. |
Well, yeah, there's that... |
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Impy
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| Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, Bugsy was responsible for every suspicious death in LA until '47. |
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joe78
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:09 pm Post subject: Hmmm |
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| No I have not read the book and to be honest I probally won't read any other book on the Dhalia! I don't think any of them are true. They will just add more myth to the case. The evidence is stale, if it exist at all, and people are left up to their imaginations. Unless we can see the LAPD files, if any are left, I have no interest in reading any other theory outside this board. Now if LAPD will publish a book with the orginal files I will read it. But I have already lost track of how many suspects we have now and I don't want any new ones that are not backed up by pure hard facts. |
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Briar
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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If the LAPD publishes anything it will be the Black Dahlia Fairy Tales.
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